Phil Barber is a video instillation artist, a Birmingham resident and, fortunately, a good mate. He was doing Fine Art at the Margaret Street campus of B.I.A.D while I was there but where we both slacked off and rarely produced work, unfortunately, the work I produced was of a dubious standard or contained ill thought out ideas, whereas he would swan in and produce something really good, a phenomena we referred to as “Art Dodge”. But Art Dodge or no, this is why he got a first and I didn’t. Phil is currently finishing a M.A. back at Margaret Street and I caught up with him in a pub.

A friend of ours often says he looks a little bit like Ewen McGregor, but if this is true it is Ewen McGregor as imagined by a drunk Tim Burton dressed by Topshop.
How did you get involved with new generation arts?
After my degree I was involved in a show at the Custard factory, of mainly arts based graduates from both Birmingham and London. It was a good show and it was interesting to work with people that had been through the same institutional system that we had, but in a different place. Seeing how much influence working the same group of people in a certain place at a certain time can have, how people that had done almost the same course had different styles and concerns, you could almost separate the pieces on site into the different universities.
And you were approached at the show?
Yes by Robin Dobson and Mona Casey, there was a bit of debate about which curator wanted me but it was finally decided that I would be working with Mona.
Is that because she liked your work, did you ever find out?
I hope so, because Mona had been a tutor on the degree, we had been involved in conversation about my work and had been there during the development of it, hopefully she liked it and wanted to work with me on something like that. And she’s knows the concerns within my work and that they are closely linked to those they are trying to raise in this exhibition.
Did you say “yes” straight away?
Oh I was always going to do it, its great to be involved in something on this scale and in Birmingham; the amount of advertising, the amount of people they can get to view the shows, the artists I to work with, the amount of equipment they can gather, the venues they can command…
So is that a consideration to what work you put in?
Yes, we don’t get those venues often do we? Once you’re outside an institution if you’re going to book a venue, you’ve got to book it yourself, so it’s going to be your own cash and that controls the size and how much equipment you can rent. The opportunity to have someone to tell you not to worry about any of that and don’t worry about the bills. It controls the work, in a way, or rather the restrictions that we normally have control the work and this time whereas this is probably closer to what we would be doing all the time.

Is it new work?
(Laughs) Built for the space no less, because the space is so large it became about filling the space. Not just filling it with quantity
In a bad way, like “oh god I’ve got to fill this space” or in the way that putting restrictions on things makes you more creative?
Well there are restriction on everything isn’t there? that’s always going to change the way you work. And that a good thing, there has never been anyone who has had no restriction, it’s impossible. I think definite having a space that big, having the equipment and the help to install it, its going to become closer to how you would want to work in the first place – there are less stumbling blocks, when you think of something when you working by yourself the stumbling blocks are the things you come up first without thinking about concepts; can I afford that? Is that possible? Is there a space? Does that exist? But with those things taken away you can concentrate creatively on your other restrictions
The theme “digital utopia”, is the piece to do with that?
I think it fits nicely with this questioning about digital utopia, and I imagine that will be why they approached me to do it, because they know I do that sort of stuff. It’s certainly as much about the arc my work has been following since I started investigating art.
(Laughing) What “Art Dodge”, doing something that seems meaningful and getting away with it?
(Laughing back) Strangely, in a way, it’s a little bit like that, not in the way your saying, the piece is about being initially seduced by video, because video and film are seductive; you put a television somewhere people will watch it before they even know what they are watching, I know I do. So there will a number of projections onto suspended screens, quite large and they will all be aquariums. So the initial seduction will be of that neon glow; its video, its moving, its large scale, it literally glowing because that’s what projections do and in a dark space that is a seductive thing, we are drawn to that.
Like your degree show piece? That looked really good in the dark.
Yeah it did look good, I think that it’s just the way our eyes work, we are drawn to the light and moving colours.
I also found with your work there is a lightness to it, a jokey quality that while it didn’t mask the original meaning, threw you off, but when you had deciphered it, actually highlighted and complimented your intentions.
That’s what I’m hoping to happen with the new piece. I’m hoping, initially, you will be engaged by that almost involuntary seduction, but as you pay attention to the footage, as your pulled in by the glow and the image, and for however many seconds your fooled by the slickness of the shot; your interrupted by the appearance of the glass, or people arms are in the way, or shakiness of the camera, and pixilation of the image. The acknowledgment of the stages of production will push you away. And there is a kind of humour in that, that these things are large projections elevated in this grand space and its of this strange amateur footage.
When I was at Sydney Aquarium I was filming these people filming it, and you think, when people film this kind of stuff; grand canons, museums aquariums, you think “what are you going to do with this footage? What am I going to do with this footage?” And people just go round the whole aquarium filming, it takes two hours to get round it, it’s a big place. You think “what you are going to do with two hours of badly shot aquarium footage”.
Right because you probably don’t want to see it again and you know your friends don’t want to sit through that.
Yes, these people never actually saw that aquarium; they saw it through a lens but didn’t experience it.
Isn’t it strange that there is a certain type of person that tends to experience thing retrospectively, they will record the shit out of it while they’re there and then enjoy the pictures when once they’re back from Jessops?
(Laughs) yes, so there is that element of, one; what are you going to do with that footage? Will you really ever watch it? Are you really going to go home capture two hours of footage, burn it to a DVD, and every couple of months get it out and say “do you want to watch that DVD of the time we went to that aquarium”? And two; you missed the whole thing; you were there at Sydney Aquarium, probably the best aquarium I’ve been too…
(Interrupting)But that’s not a big competition though is it? It’s just basically fish in glass.
Yeah ok I’ll give you that, but the point is they missed it, never saw any of it. This works, in a way, with the theme “Digital Utopia”. Digital technology, despite what people say, it is bringing people together. This was highlighted the other day when a school reunion was organised for my secondary school and I thought “why go?” because of Facebook and such I’m still in contact with all the people I want to be. Even Friendsreunited is redundant now because we will probably have the same Facebook page from when we were school age. I was thinking the other day that I have had the same e-mail address for almost a decade, isn’t weird that people might have the same address for seventy years?
Thinking about it my e-mail address has been more reliable than my actual address.
Exactly.
Will you ever stop plundering your holiday footage when you need a bit of art? “Hmm I need a bit of art, where’s that footage I shot in New York?”
In fairness, the polar bear thing (referring to his degree show piece; a giant projection of a polar bear, shot in New York) straight away when I saw it I knew it was really good, I didn’t know what I was going to do with it, but it looked so good.
Joking aside, I can see why, it’s just interesting; the big shape moving towards you with blues and whites, its almost hypnotic.
I stood there for ages, filming it over and over again, I didn’t know what I wanted it for I just knew I wanted it. In the same way I went to Sydney Aquarium with my camera, and instead of filming the fish it became far more interesting to stand a few layers back and film behind these people and make sure the lens were in shot and their arms got in the way.
Ahh so you’re saying all the bad camera works on purpose, you disgust me with your excuses.
It was! (laughs)
Do you class yourself as a video artist or an instillation artist, or don’t you care about what labels you have? Because I’ve seen you mostly describe yourself as a video artist but I think a lot of your work seems to be hugely dependent on the installation.
You’re right it hangs on the installation, and often therein lays the content, in its presentation somewhere else. It’s certainly in the case with the new piece, ideally I suppose it would have been someone else’s holiday footage, what is interesting is that I’m elevating into a art exhibition, taking this home footage and while thinking what people could do with it, elevating it, quite literally, into an instillation.
I think that a long time ago artist were not known by what medium they use, they were probably just known as “artists”, I’m not particularly committed to video, I want to work in a medium that captures people imagination in a way that video does, if another medium came out that people, instead of watching telly started watching paint, if people started staring at a picture for eight hours a night or would go to the cinema to stare at a static picture for two hours, then I would start working in paint. That’s the bit I’m interested in.
For my MA final piece I want to try something that references more heavily what people call “film”, because one of the things we were taught in our degree was how to look at things, or how not to look at things, I mean we’re never going disqualify anything we will call it film or video whatever. But a lot of people wouldn’t, without a narrative or storytelling they would just dismiss it. I want to make something, without compromising too many of the ideas I want to work with, that starts to be in both places more, something that’s both “art” and “film”.
I don’t mind being put in a box because people will do that anyway, I just don’t want it affect my work.
Phil will be part of the Mixed Media Installation: Mona Casey Selection starting on Monday 9th and running until Friday 20th June at Que Club in the Central Hall.